Everybody Works – REWORK

37signals' co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson discuss their unique approach of operating without full-time managers. They reflect on the company's experience with full-time managers and share why they've moved to a flatter organization. Key Takeaways 00:54 - The before and after of 37signals' experience with full-time managers 08:34 - The founders thoughts on being directly involved in the business 10:36 - Why the company's management hierarchy works best for the founders 17:17 - 37signals' career ladder doesn't necessarily mean people leadership 20:03 - What company size makes sense for having more management layers Links and Resources "We once more have no full-time managers at 37signals" post by David Heinemeier Hansson – https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-once-mor... Books by 37signals - https://37signals.com/books Sign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.com Once. com – https://once.com/ Campfire – https://once.com/campfire HEY – https://www.hey.com/ The REWORK podcast – https://37signals.com/podcast/ Let's be social! Twitter/X: https://x.com/37signals Instagram:   / 37signalshq   Newsletter: https://www.basecamp.com/newsletter Rework is a production of 37signals. You can find show notes and transcripts on our website. Full video episodes are available on YouTube and X. If you have a question for Jason or David about a better way to work and run your business, leave us a voicemail at 708-628-7850 or email, and we might answer it on a future episode.