GOVERNING: THE ART OF DIVISION — Aaron Good & Thomas Fazi

We are divided, they govern us. What if our political clashes ended up protecting the very powers we claim to fight? Félix Marquardt and Alexis Poulin host Aaron Good and Thomas Fazi for an interview on the fractures in our societies, the limits of electoral power, and the interests that span across political shifts, from Washington to Brussels. Left versus right, culture wars, identity battles: the guests question how these divisions can distract from common material interests and prevent the construction of lasting counter-powers. Why does changing leaders seem so rarely to change the course? Who decides on war, alliances, and economic directions? 🎙️ The broadcast is available in French on @TheBlackElephantExperience 🗣️ OUR GUESTS Aaron Good is an American political scientist, author of American Exception: Empire and the Deep State*, and host of the *American Exception podcast. His work focuses on the American empire, clandestine powers, and the relationship between democratic institutions and elite domination. Thomas Fazi is an Anglo-Italian journalist and essayist, author of The Battle for Europe and co-author of Reclaiming the State with economist Bill Mitchell. He writes notably for UnHerd and Compact on economic sovereignty, the European Union, and geopolitics. 📌 ON THE AGENDA • Germany: AfD, BSW, and the crisis of traditional parties. How can we understand the anti-establishment vote and the contradictions of those who capture it? • Deep State: what does this concept cover in the United States and on a European scale? • Trump and the promises of disruption: why do war policies survive political turnovers? • Israel, Iran, Ukraine: how do Western geopolitical commitments weigh on domestic politics? • Left, working classes, and identities: has the battle of symbols replaced that of living conditions? • Moving beyond the left-right divide: what convergences, what limits, and what risks? • Decline of Western hegemony: will the dominant powers accept losing their supremacy? An exchange that raises a central question: how do we rebuild collective power when everything pushes us to oppose one another? 💬 For you, what divisions are preventing the construction of a true counter-power today? Let us know in the comments. 🔗 CONNECT WITH THE GUESTS & HOSTS Aaron Good X: @Aaron_Good Website and podcast: American Exception Thomas Fazi X: @battleforeurope Articles and newsletter: Thomas Fazi — Substack Félix Marquardt 🐘 YouTube: @TheBlackElephantExperience X: @Feleaks Instagram: @feleaks Substack: Félix Marquardt Alexis Poulin YouTube: @LeMondeModerne X: @Poulin2012 Instagram: @alexispoulinfr Telegram: @alexis_poulin The Modern Elephant Subscribe, turn on notifications, and share this interview to help circulate independent analysis. 🎬 CREDITS INTERVIEW: Félix Marquardt and Alexis Poulin PRODUCTION: Amine 🐘 🗣️ Original interview in English, dubbed in French using artificial intelligence. The analyses and opinions expressed are those of their respective authors.