Real Legacy - David Kirk MBE, All Black #843 & Sir John Kirwan

In this episode of Legacy, I sit down with one of the most unique and influential All Blacks captains in history - David Kirk. David wasn’t just a brilliant halfback - he was a World Cup-winning skipper, a scholar, a thinker, and a man who led with integrity on and off the field. As captain of the 1987 team, he lifted the Webb Ellis Cup - and walked away from the game at his peak. We talk about the pressure and privilege of leading the All Blacks, the momentous '87 campaign, standing up for his values during the rebel tour era, and how his life evolved from rugby to Rhodes Scholar to CEO. This series is about preserving the stories of those who shaped our game - not just the legends we watched, but the ideas and character behind them. That’s what Legacy is all about. I hope you enjoy this kōrero with David Kirk as much as I did.