Inside the Moral Collapse of Israel: Hadas Emma Kedar on Zionism and Its Future

Israeli-born artist, teacher and activist Hadas Emma Kedar joins me for a wide-ranging conversation about Zionism, Israel, Germany, the IDF, and the possibility of a radically different future. Hadas grew up inside Zionist culture and gradually came to see the ideology she had inherited as morally indefensible. We talk about that transformation, her experiences as an anti-Zionist activist, the particular German obsession with Jews and Israel, the anti-German movement, and what she sees as the depravity of the Israeli military and the society that sustains it. We also talk about what a future beyond Zionism might actually look like, what would have to change for Israelis and Palestinians to escape the present system, and whether such a transformation is possible. Hadas also discusses her new performance piece, Together We Lose, which draws on her own experiences and explores the emotional and political realities behind the subjects we discuss. This is a long, personal conversation about ideology, identity, guilt, violence, art, and the possibility of something different. 00:00:00 Coming Up... 00:01:28 Intro to Hadas 00:03:06 From the Galalie 00:16:14 What Kind of Zionism Was It? 00:20:27 Are We Always Talking To Our Haters? 00:31:21 Going Elsewhere... Not Israel 00:40:01 Breaking The Silence? 00:47:54 Hadas's Art And What Happened In Israel 00:54:50 The Conversation Across the Wall? 01:01:52 A Zoom Call On October 8th 01:07:43 Humans Do Evil Things. Monsters Don't Exist. 01:26:31 The Out Group Of "Jewish Nationality" 01:38:03 What's Up In Germany? 01:51:36 The Anit-Deutsch 01:56:22 Fascism Is Capitalism In Crisis 02:03:09 "Together We Lose" Hadas's New Art BECOME A MEMBER - MONTHLY MEMBERS ONLY LIVESTREAM    / @jayshapirodilemmapodcast   For more from Jay visit whatjaythinks.com