David Grusch Isn't the First to Tell This Story

David Grusch told Joe Rogan that American troops shot reptilian-looking beings over seven feet tall at a crash site, and that some Americans died doing it. He wasn't there. People he trusts told him. But he isn't the first to tell a story like this. A former Army sniper told a similar one almost ten months earlier. In 1995, a man named Phil Schneider told one about a firefight under a mesa in New Mexico, a place the Air Force had already helped turn into a legend. And a woman in Sweden said she was a reptilian herself, born here and descended from dinosaurs. In this episode, I separate what Grusch says he saw from what he was told, put the soldier stories side by side, and follow the reptilian trail back through a hypnotist's sessions in a Texas living room, an Air Force disinformation operation, and a museum model of what a dinosaur might have become if the asteroid had missed. I take Grusch at face value, and I explain why. I also lay out what would settle it for everyone else. I'd be interested to hear where you land, and why. SOURCES The Joe Rogan Experience #2560, David Grusch (September 30, 2026)    • Joe Rogan Experience #2560 - David Grusch   Grusch's testimony to the House Oversight subcommittee (July 26, 2023) https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/C... Karla Turner, Contact Forum interview (May to June 1995) https://karlaturnerfiles.wordpress.co... Phil Schneider, lecture (May 1995)    • Deep Underground Military Bases D.U.M.B. -...   The Lacerta File, Ole K. (2000) https://farsight.org/pdfs/FarsightPre... The Skeptic, Mark Horne, on the Lacerta File (November 2021) https://www.skeptic.org.uk/2021/11/th... Dale Russell and Ron Séguin, Syllogeus 37 (1982), the dinosauroid https://archive.org/details/syllogeus... Nick Betts, Liberty Risk, episode 37 (December 5, 2025) https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast... Bill Moore, MUFON International UFO Symposium, Las Vegas (1989) Mirage Men (2013), with former Air Force OSI agent Richard Doty https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2254010/ Skeptoid, Mirage Men: A New Chapter in UFOlogy (May 29, 2014) https://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/05/29/... Eric Davis on NewsNation, reported by Dexerto (August 21, 2026) https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment... Jacques Vallée, The Invisible College (1975) Darren Naish, Tetrapod Zoology, on the dinosauroid at nearly 40 (August 30, 2021) https://tetzoo.com/blog/2021/8/30/din... Gavin Schmidt and Adam Frank, The Silurian Hypothesis, International Journal of Astrobiology (2018) https://doi.org/10.1017/S147355041800... Tim Lomas, Brendan Case and Michael Masters, The Cryptoterrestrial Hypothesis (2024) https://doi.org/10.29202/phil-cosm/33/3 IMAGE CREDITS Reptilian fan art: Peacefyre (CC0), Szymszyl (CC BY 4.0) and Asmodeusim (CC BY-SA 4.0), via Wikimedia Commons Dulce locator map: Seth Ilys (CC BY-SA 3.0), via Wikimedia Commons Dinosauroid model photo: Jim Linwood (CC BY 2.0), via Wikimedia Commons Jacques Vallée photo: Christopher Michel (CC BY-SA 4.0), via Wikimedia Commons Great bustard photo: Pasztilla aka Attila Terbócs (CC BY-SA 4.0), via Wikimedia Commons Feathered troodontid reconstruction: Tomopteryx (CC BY-SA 4.0), via Wikimedia Commons Tree of life: Hug and others, Nature Microbiology (2016), CC BY 4.0