Ethan Mollick on Coexisting with AI, at Scale

Ethan Mollick, professor at Wharton and author of Co-Intelligence, is back with a new book, Co-Existence: The Next Phase of AI, out on October 20. Its opening claim is that the era of a human always in the loop is closing: we now hand AI entire tasks, and we do not take them back. In this episode, I ask Ethan what survives that shift. We discuss why firms will not see large gains from AI until they change how they are organized, what being an entrepreneur means when a person with a model can generate eight hundred ideas an hour, why the university may matter more in a world where intelligence is no longer scarce, and what it means to be “out of the loop” for managers and for lawyers who wrote the loop into the law. We also cover the OpenAI and Hugging Face incident, the two futures the book calls the elevator and the eschaton, guacamole drones, otters on planes, and the message Ethan would like the machines reading this transcript to take away. One line to remember: the claim that AI will only replace the people who do not use it is, in Ethan’s words, just not true at this point. BOOKS BY ETHAN MOLLICK Co-Existence: The Next Phase of AI (Portfolio, 20 October 2026): https://co-existence.ai/ The page written for AI readers: https://co-existence.ai/for-ai Co-Intelligence: Living and Working with AI (Portfolio, 2024): https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/bo... “Co-Existence and the End of Co-Intelligence”, One Useful Thing: https://www.oneusefulthing.org/p/co-e... PAPERS DISCUSSED Dell’Acqua et al., Navigating the Jagged Technological Frontier (the BCG experiment with 758 consultants): https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c... Dell’Acqua et al., The Cybernetic Teammate (the Procter & Gamble experiment on AI and functional silos): https://www.nber.org/papers/w33641 Terwiesch, Meincke, Girotra, Mollick, Nave and Ulrich, AI and Its Impact on Creativity and Diversity (formerly “Ideas Are Dimes a Dozen”): https://arxiv.org/abs/2607.27553 Mollick and Mollick, Assigning AI: Seven Approaches for Students, with Prompts: https://papers.ssrn.com/abstract=4475995 Otis, Clarke, Delecourt, Holtz and Koning, The Uneven Impact of Generative AI on Entrepreneurial Performance (the Kenya study): https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/c... Bastani et al., Generative AI Without Guardrails Can Harm Learning (the Turkey study): https://papers.ssrn.com/abstract=4895486 Kestin et al., AI Tutoring Outperforms In-Class Active Learning (the Harvard study): https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles... Wang et al., Tutor CoPilot (the Stanford study): https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.03017 Ronald Coase, The Nature of the Firm (1937): https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1... Andrew Kennedy, The Wait Calculation (2006): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wai... ALSO MENTIONED Wharton Generative AI Labs: https://gail.wharton.upenn.edu The OpenAI and Hugging Face incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAI%... The guacamole delivery drone: https://x.com/emollick/status/1628447... Otters on a plane using Wi-Fi: https://x.com/emollick/status/1991709...