In the engine room of reform | Pam Yako on Leadership | Governing Tomorrow podcast series

In this episode of Governing Tomorrow, we are joined by Pam Yako as she shares her personal journey through South Africa’s public service. As a former Director-General, lifelong activist, and current NSI board member, Pam brings a solid perspective on what it really takes to lead change from inside the system. The conversation discusses the complexities of working within a public sector shaped by political dynamics, historical legacies, and high public expectations, and the kind of leadership and reform needed to build a capable, inclusive, and future-orientated state.