31 - The Greatest Measure of Success Is Who You Lift Up with Pierre Julien & Co-host Wray Carvelas

What if your greatest achievement isn't what you accomplish, but what you inspire others to become? On this episode of the JOY² – Live With Joy Podcast, host Greg De Koker and co-host Wray Carvelas, CEO of Ascencia Group and JOY² Founding Title Sponsor, welcome Pierre Julien, former Executive Vice President of DRA Global, for an inspiring conversation about leadership, fulfillment, adventure and the lasting impact we have on others. After more than four decades leading people and organizations in the global mining industry, Pierre shares a powerful realization: success and fulfillment aren't necessarily the same thing. Titles, achievements and financial rewards may mark a successful career, but the deepest joy often comes from helping others discover what they're capable of becoming. Pierre reveals how recognizing untapped potential, understanding people's unique strengths and creating opportunities for them to thrive can transform careers, strengthen teams and leave a legacy that extends far beyond any job title. Together, Greg, Wray and Pierre explore how curiosity, courage and a willingness to challenge conventional thinking open doors to extraordinary possibilities. Through personal stories of mentorship, adventure and unforgettable moments of joy, Pierre reminds us that a meaningful life isn't simply measured by what we achieve, but by the difference we make along the way. In this episode, you'll discover: • Why professional success doesn't always bring personal fulfillment • How believing in someone's potential can change their life • Why great leaders put people and their strengths first • How curiosity, courage and adventure create new possibilities • Why purpose and contribution are at the heart of lasting joy • How turning ideas into action creates meaningful change The most meaningful measure of leadership isn't how high you climb. It's how many people rise because you believed in them. Chapters: 00:00 Welcome to JOY² 02:08 Meet Pierre Julien 05:24 Finding Joy Beyond Professional Success 09:23 The Fulfillment of Developing People 17:19 Overcoming Barriers to Joy at Work 19:22 Understanding People and Their Strengths 21:20 Finding the Right Roles for Your Team 23:50 Overcoming Negativity and Joy Blockers 29:19 Connecting Purpose to Meaningful Work 34:06 Memorable Moments of Joy 36:56 Don't Accept No Without Taking Action 37:13 Turning Insights Into Action 39:10 Final Reflections on Leadership and Joy Connect with Greg De Koker Website: ⁠www.joy2.ca⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠www.linkedin.com/in/gregdekoker/ ⁠ Instagram: ⁠www.instagram.com/greg_de_koker/⁠ Facebook: ⁠www.facebook.com/greg.koker.5/⁠ Connect with Wray Carvelas Website: www.ascenciagroup.com LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/company/ascencia-group-unleashing-tomorrow-s-leaders-today/ Connect with Pierre Julien: LinkedIn:   / pierrejulien1   Listen and Subscribe to JOY²: Apple Podcast:⁠ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... ⁠ Spotify: ⁠creators.spotify.com/pod/show/joy-squared-podcast⁠ YouTube: ⁠   / @joy2livewithjoypodcast⁠   Stay Connected to JOY²: Instagram: ⁠www.instagram.com/joysquaredofficial/⁠ Facebook: ⁠www.facebook.com/joysquaredofficial/⁠ Take Action Ask yourself: • Am I measuring success by what I achieve or the difference I make? • Whose potential do I see that they may not yet recognize in themselves? • Where could I embrace a new challenge or help someone else grow? Action Tip Think of one person whose potential you believe in. Reach out and tell them what you see in them. Offer encouragement, guidance or an opportunity that could help them grow. Never underestimate the power of believing in someone before they fully believe in themselves. As Pierre reminds us, our greatest legacy isn't necessarily what we build or achieve. It's the people whose lives are better because we were part of them.