Never Grow Up with Julian Shapiro-Barnum!

Holly sits down with Julian Shapiro-Barnum, the man who got thousands of kids to spill the tea on Recess Therapy, sent Billie Eilish and Tom Holland back to school on Celebrity Substitute, and now has a late-night show and a debut book: How to Grow Up Without Becoming a Grown-Up. They get into “red button syndrome” (if you tell him not to, he will), the senior citizen who chased him down the street, there is a whole story, and why kids are better at feeling their feelings, making friends and fixing the world than the rest of us. There’s also a heartfelt chat about loneliness in the biggest city on earth, a Brooklyn speed round with a suspicious amount of pirates, and a message for Conan O’Brien. Oh, and Julian was a terrible waiter. He’d like you to know he takes no responsibility for that. Come for the laughs, stay for the reminder that your inner kid never left. They’re just waiting for you to stop overthinking.