You can't manage change - guidance and wisdom for developing successful organizations

🎯 You can't manage change — you can only develop the organization that lives through it. That's the thread running through this conversation. John Scherer has spent decades understanding why change efforts look good on paper and fall apart in reality — and what it takes to lead transformation that actually holds. He talks with Anna Broniek about Organization Development: what leaders still get wrong about it, why change designed only at the top tends to fail, and what it means to engage a whole system without creating chaos. ✨ We cover: Why change efforts fail — and what most leaders misunderstand about OD "Managing change" vs. genuinely facilitating development What John listens for when he enters an organization Engaging the whole system without endless consultation Why deep leader development is a condition for change, not a "nice to have" What happens when leaders drive change they haven't embodied themselves Reading resistance for what it's really telling you Trust, fear, and power in change that works — and change that fails What to do first (and what to avoid) when starting a serious transformation ⏱️ Chapters 00:00 [Intro placeholder] 00:00 Why change efforts fail in reality 00:00 What OD really is — and the common misunderstanding 00:00 Managing change vs. facilitating development 00:00 What John looks and listens for first 00:00 Engaging the whole system without chaos 00:00 Deep leader development as a condition for change 00:00 When leaders haven't embodied the change themselves 00:00 Understanding resistance 00:00 Trust, fear, and power dynamics 00:00 Advising a CEO: what to do first, what to avoid 👤 About John Scherer: John Scherer is a pioneer in Organization Development and the creator of the Leadership Development Intensive (LDI). Interview by Anna Broniek, Next Move Consulting Group. 📩 Planning a serious transformation? Talk to Ania Broniek or Przemek Gawroński - contact@nextmove.consulting #OrganizationDevelopment #ChangeManagement #JohnScherer #Leadership #OD #Transformation #NextMoveConsulting