Leadership Lessons Hidden in Tragedy

Episode 43 What can a funeral director teach you about integrity? In this episode, Tom sits down with Jay Jacobson — business owner, consultant, author of Lead by Legendary Example — for a conversation that started as an extension of integrity and opened into something bigger. Jay shares how leading the response to the United Flight 232 crash in Sioux City, Iowa, and later testifying before the U.S. Senate on funeral ethics, shaped his understanding that integrity isn't a single trait — it's built in the small decisions nobody sees. The conversation moves from trust and presence to why the next generation struggles with eye contact, and why rest isn't optional for leaders who want to stay whole. Connect with Jay at http://JacobsonProStaff.com and find Lead by Legendary Example on Amazon and Apple Books, in print and audio. Timestamps: 00:27 Welcome & Meet Jay Jacobson 01:35 45 Years in Funeral Service: Disasters, Senate Testimony & Mentorship 03:35 Sioux City: Servant Leadership Under Pressure 04:43 Lead By Legendary Example: Stories Over Frameworks 06:27 The Six Pillars of Leadership 10:20 Testifying Before the Senate on Funeral Ethics 12:46 The Reagan Quote: Solving Problems Without Needing Credit 13:34 Why Integrity Isn't Static - It Grows 14:21 Integrity Doesn't Erode, It Leaks 16:56 From Integrity to Presence: Jay's Post-Sioux City Story 19:18 Rest, Burnout & Integrity 21:15 Why These Principles Transcend Every Industry 25:33 Presence in the Age of Screens (The Anxious Generation) 27:20 Eye Contact: The First Sign of Integrity 30:00 Connect with Jay & His Book 32:34 Final Takeaway: "Be Where Your Feet Are" ⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻ Tom DeBell is the founder and president of Modern Leadership Solutions, a Certified Maxwell Coach/Speaker/Trainer, a Full Focus Certified Pro, and a Certified Facilitator in the Six Types of Working Genius. Learn more about Tom and Modern Leadership Solutions here: https://www.modernleadershipsolutions... ⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻ Podcast guests are managed through PodMatch. If you’re a podcast guest or host (or both!), I would encourage you to check it out: https://www.podmatch.com/member/tomde... (affiliate link). #PodMatch ⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻MUSIC & MEDIA⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻⎻ With permission from: Music by HitsLab (   / @hitslabmusic  ) from Pixabay (https://pixabay.com/)