#006 AI 逆向挡不住，Grok Bot、Muse 用上头：干活还是过家家？

本期简介 / In this episode AI 逆向门槛不断降低，Personal Agent 也开始接手日常工作：写鼠标驱动、剪视频、做封面，甚至组建“AI 团队”。我们分享 REA、Grok Bot、Muse、Dots 的实际使用，追问：它们是在交付成果，还是把公司的内耗也学会了？ 从邮件钓鱼与权限边界，到封闭应用生态、Skill、Memory 和内容创作，我们讨论什么能真正积累、复用，以及当“六十分变成零分”，创作者还靠什么被看见。片尾彩蛋：一起抢苹果手机。 In this episode Can an AI write a macOS mouse driver, edit a video from your phone, and assemble an “AI company” staffed by fictional characters? We share hands-on experiences with REA, Grok Bot, Muse and Dots—and ask when personal agents deliver real work and when they are just playing pretend. We discuss reverse engineering, phishing and permissions, multi-agent coordination, and the barriers created by closed app ecosystems. Then we turn to Skills, memory, reusable assets and creative work: when making something becomes easy, what still makes it worth watching? Stay for the bonus: a live race to order iPhones. 主理人 / Hosts 向阳乔木 Xiangyang Qiaomu（本期主持人）: https://m.okjike.com/users/b66a780a-1... 歸藏 Guizang: https://m.okjike.com/users/0ae2afa7-9... 橘子 Orange: https://m.okjike.com/users/FCEA29D3-5... 杨攀 Yang Pan: https://m.okjike.com/users/B53205DA-8... 录制 / Recording 2026 年 10 月 16 日 / October 16, 2026 中文节目，提供中英文字幕。 / Chinese audio with Chinese and English subtitles. ⏱️ 章节时间戳 00:00 本期精彩预告 / Episode highlights 01:06 片头 / Intro 01:55 开场：第六期见面，聊聊节目近况 / Opening and episode updates 02:27 REA 与 AI 逆向：给怒喵鼠标补一个 macOS 驱动 / REA and AI reverse engineering: a macOS mouse driver 05:04 逆向门槛降低之后：版权、游戏移植与使用边界 / Lower barriers to reverse engineering: copyright and boundaries 07:06 从剪映降噪到 Grok Bot 技术栈：我们实际研究了什么？ / CapCut noise reduction and the Grok Bot stack 10:30 “有什么需求跟他说就完了”：按钮越来越少，Agent 越来越主动 / Fewer buttons, more proactive agents 12:59 当收件人变成 Agent：邮件钓鱼、权限越界与“Token 税” / When agents read email: phishing, permissions and the token tax 20:35 硬件开放才能玩起来：从社区玩法聊到物理安全 / Open hardware, community experiments and physical safety 23:39 智能家居为什么还这么难用？连接、体验与封闭生态 / Why is the smart home still hard to use? 26:42 Muse、Grok Bot、Dots：从学校通知到家庭信息管家 / Muse, Grok Bot and Dots: managing family information 29:17 说做完了，却交来原片：Agent 剪辑踩坑与上下文断档 / An agent says the edit is done—but sends the original 30:58 不开电脑做自媒体：分镜、真实素材、剪辑、封面一条龙 / A mobile-only workflow for video creators 32:07 把影视角色拉进 Bot 群：给自己组一支“AI 团队” / Fictional characters join your AI team 34:50 “人类在 AI Native，Agent 在 Human Native”：多 Agent 怎么开起会了？ / Multi-agent collaboration—or another team meeting? 36:40 为什么一个主 Bot、一个聊天入口，就让人用上头了？ / Why one main bot and one chat feel so compelling 40:17 国内 Agent 的落点：生活助理做不起来，先给商家干活？ / Personal agents in China: helping merchants first? 43:24 App 不让 Agent 调用：超级应用的围墙怎么跨过去？ / Getting past the walls of super-apps 45:15 整理几百本微信读书藏书：这叫“假提效”，还是收纳的快乐？ / Organizing hundreds of WeRead books: productivity or pleasure? 46:32 Prompt 套 Skill，Skill 再套 Prompt：能力变强后，还要封装什么？ / Prompts inside Skills, Skills inside prompts 48:07 Skill 加上自己的名字：既方便调用，也是一次个人品牌传播 / Putting your name on a Skill 49:42 “注意力是最稀缺的事情”：开源作品、流量机会与成功者偏差 / Attention, open-source projects and survivorship bias 52:32 模型被评价为“CTO 级别”，程序员还要继续跟 AI 拼技术吗？ / Competing with models rated at CTO level 53:56 模型体验的两极：最强能力、等待时间与便宜模型的生态位 / Model capability, waiting time and cheaper alternatives 58:58 多模态实时画框：把一个新能力，变成十分钟能试的 Demo / A ten-minute demo of real-time visual grounding 01:00:36 忘了项目在哪、跟谁聊过？Memory、项目索引与组件复用 / Memory, project indexes and reusable components 01:03:46 语音不只是念台词：让模型带着角色的性格去表演 / Voice acting, not just reading lines 01:05:44 AI 回复刷屏、日报变视频：信息流更丰富，还是更吵了？ / AI replies and video newsletters: richer feeds or more noise? 01:07:50 “只要 AI 把一个东西拉到六十分，那六十分就是零分” / When AI makes 60 the baseline, 60 becomes zero 01:09:24 彩蛋：一起抢苹果手机，谁能先下单？ / Bonus: racing to order iPhones 关于节目 / About Next Token｜词元之外是一档关注 AI 技术、产品与现实影响的视频播客，同时提供音频版。旗舰栏目 Next Token Weekly，由杨攀、歸藏、橘子和向阳乔木每周圆桌对谈，分享观察、实践与不同判断。 [节目官网](https://nexttoken.tv/) Next Token | 词元之外 is a Chinese-language video podcast about AI technology, products and their real-world impact, also available in audio. Next Token Weekly brings Yang Pan, Guizang, Orange and Xiangyang Qiaomu together for a weekly roundtable. Website: https://nexttoken.tv/ Episode: https://nexttoken.tv/weekly/006/ 音乐 / Music “Electric Dreams” by Scott Buckley — released under CC BY 4.0. www.scottbuckley.com.au “Origami” by Scott Buckley — released under CC BY 4.0. www.scottbuckley.com.au Edited and mixed for Next Token Weekly. License: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/...